Re: "Ape Men -- fact or fiction?"
Jim Foley (email@example.com)
2 Jan 1997 21:16:45 GMT
In article <32C88436.29BF@prodigy.net>,
Michael J. Gallagher <MIKEJOE@Prodigy.Net> wrote:
>My friend E-Mailed me the following article, and asked me to post it here
>for purposes of having the various arguments debated "by the other side."
>Looking for point-by-point debate, not flames. Thanks in advance.
This group does not want creation/evolution debates, so I'll answer some
of the points real quickly. For (a lot) more information, visit my
fossil hominids FAQ at
>APE-MEN: FACT OR FICTION?
>by Dr. Gary Parker of Creation Science Ministries
>A. Neanderthal Man:
>*cave art, evidence of belief in the after-life,
>*large brain capacity = regular human being.
>*bone diseases, lack of iodine and vitamin D cause stooping and massive
>*Most evolutionists agree these were regular human beings.
Sort of. Human, yes, but creationists tend to exaggerate the similarity
>C. Homo erectus:
>1. Java Man:
>*upper leg bone and skull cap found fifty feet apart in a gravel deposit
> by Eugene Dubois.
>*regular human skulls were found in the same deposit,
False. See http://earth.ics.uci.edu:8080/faqs/homs/a_java.html.
>but Dubois did not reveal this for thirty years.
>*Dubois later stated he believed the fossils to belong to a large
>2. Peking Man:
>*entirely ape-like skulls found in caves in China with the rear bashed in
> with tools buried in the same area.
False. See http://earth.ics.uci.edu:8080/faqs/homs/a_peking.html.
>*the tools were probably used on the ape, not by the ape
>D. Nebraska Man:
>*a pig's tooth found in 1925 was thought to beling to a hominid
No, it was claimed to belong to an ape.
>*Louis and Mary Leakey found an ape skull with a huge lower jaw near tools.
>*Richard Leakey later found regular human bones beneath the skull.
No, they weren't regular human bones, and they were found elsewhere.
>2. "Lucy" (A. afarensis):
>*40% complete skeleton found by Donald Johanson in 1975.
>*other scientist did not look at it (not allowed to see it) until 1982-83.
>*skeleton just like that of a tree-seinging rain forest chimpanzee.
Garbage. The pelvis is very different, and looks much more like a
human (see http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~priestle/aa/index.html)
>*while Johanson claimed Lucy walked upright, Charles Oxnard of USC says
> the anatomy "warns" against a ready acceptance of this.
>*Oxnard entered identical joint measurements of Lucy into a computer which
> concluded she walked just like an ape, not upright.
This badly misrepresents Oxnard's views.
Jim (Chris) Foley, firstname.lastname@example.org
Assoc. Prof. of Omphalic Envy Research interest:
Department of Anthropology Primitive hominids
University of Ediacara (Australopithecus creationistii)