Re: Consciousness

John Pastore (bwplacar@CANCUN.RCE.COM.MX)
Mon, 1 Jul 1996 04:16:59 +0000

On 1 Jul 96 at 1:47, Ernie Marc wrote:

> John,
> Interesting thread, where did it originate, where is it going...
> Ernie Marc
> On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, John Pastore wrote:
> > On 30 Jun 96 at 10:28, Jesse S. Cook III wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > "Are you saying that these perceived differences in 'levels of
> > > consciousness' do or don't relate to changes in brain
> > > structure...?"
> > >
> > > Surely they do. How else could they be accounted for?
> >
> > Selective perception?
> >
> > Selective retention?
> >
> >

Hi Ernie,

The thread began, this time around, about that time when Jesse Cook became conscious of
having 20 books on the topic.

Where is it going?

As I just remarked to a friend, it is a source of constant amazement
to me how so many academics will most pursue that knowledge which
either most ardently eludes them or they fault for themselves. I
suspect then that this subject will get nowhere, at least, until
Jesse runs out of chapters and verse. : )

Right now I just got back from the jungle to, among other things,
view monkeys in the wild. When I get a little more settled from the
distractions of that trip, I may be able to pursue the subject with a
little more insight. For the moment though I am still pondering how
conscious the monkeys were of my, and my companions, presence, and
particularly their 'level' of conscousness as compared to our own,
while also obsessed with shampooing my hair.

The monkeys were sufficiently conscious of us to shake branches,
bombard us with fruit, and even pee, like police dispersing unwanted
crowds with fire hoses, and even deliberatly poop at us. They would
acutally point their little butts and pucker them like little cannons
to demonstrate both: some amazing range and accuracy. We of course
were not yet conscious enough to see just how silly our level of
consciousness was by taking, like the human observers we were, their

On the plus side though, a swarm of butterflies followed me
throughout the excursion.

John Pastore
Hotel Plaza Caribe
Cancun, Quintana Roo, Mx