Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
23 Nov 1996 05:45:51 GMT

> I have come to the conclusion that it is pointless to argue with either
> Bobby Whitaker or Brian Smith. Neither one has any intention of
> any questions seriously. They simply label anyone who disagrees with
> race traitors (Smith) or PC clones (Whitaker) and refuse to address
> real points. Hardly surprising, but sad. They realize that their
> disgusting ideology can't survive the light of real debate, so they hide
> under the rocks of half-truths and lies. Rather pitiful.
> But still, I'll try one more time.
> The idea of race. What is this thing race you speak of? Is it skin
> But didn't the human race originate in Africa, and its only the movement
> northern sun-starved climates that turned some of us (like me) pale.
> does that skin color adaptation have to do with making pale people
> smarter, whatever, than everyone else. And how do you explain Indians
> (in India) who have caucasoid features but skin ranging from light to
> dark brown?

Bob Whitaker responds:

. Standard clone statement I've answered many, many times. I will
.the same reply for you as for the other clones, and I'll keep repeating
.until you hear me.
. You clones say the white race does not exist, but only when that
can be
.used against the white race. For your insults and attacks and demands
.for reparations, the white race definitely exist. You arguments for
.genocide against whites are two: 1) the white race does not exist and 2)
.the whtie race deserves it.

If you think you answered his question, you are wrong. If you think that
anyone else thinks you answered his question, you are wrong. It isn't so
much that we don't like your answers, Bob -- I mean, I think I would, but
the thing is that I never get the chance because you don't really answer
the questions you are asked. Instead, you respond with a stock reply, a
prepared line -- like -- like -- some kind of clone or something.

You think there is a white race, so tell us why you think that. Don't
tell us why WE don't think that.

I can't speak for any other clones, but I don't think your mythical white
race deserves anything, whatever you mean by that exactly.

. When it comes to your program, the white race exists, for sure.
.demand massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority
.country, and ONLY into white majority countries. Quite a coincidence
.for anyone wo insists he doesn't know what white is.

Whose program? I haven't been to any meetings about immigration. Don't
give some vague answer (like, you PC clones). You seem to be arguing that
there is an international organization of which I am a part which controls
the immigration policy of all "majority-white" nations. If this is true,
what is this organization? Who runs it? What is your evidence that it

. You demand integration in every single white majority country, and
.in white majority countries, complete with racial busing to chase down
.escapee white children and tax-paid black "low cost" housing to chase
.down escaping families.

See my above question and add, escaping what?

Okay, I see you don't like integration. What do you support? Seperate
but equal? Seperate but unequal? Will we have a representetive
government with white, black, and yellow houses in Congress, or will each
homeland have its own government? Or is it good enough just to keep
communities seperate? What exactly do you want to see?

> Now, about the superiority of the white race. If you are going to use
> IQ tests to display our superiority, how do you deal with the fact that,
> according to the Bell Curve, jews and asians score higher than whites on
> IQ tests.

. Standard clone statement. As I have explained to each of you
.in turn, my objection to the destruction iof my race is not because it
.is superior, but because it is my race you are targetting.

And by destruction, you do mean the voluntary intermarriage of persons,
right? Or do you claim that our conspiracy also has some method of
drugging young white people into committing the unthinkable? Do you claim
that we are orchestrating the actual, physical killing of the "white

> Now about this Jewish conspiracy. Why don't any of my Jewish friends
> me about it? Are they holding out on me? Or is it just an "in" group
> which knows the truth? If so, they're pretty damn competant, to keep
> conspiracy going for thousands of years. And what is their goal? World
> domination? Sounds like a lot of white guys I know (Hitler, Stalin,
> Napoleon, Bob Dole). Why do you think the Jewish race is so united,
> the white race is obviously so divided (if only because they don't
> your racial view of the world).

. Standard Politically Correct crap. As I have explained to each
.in turn, I think the problem with Jews has nothing to do with any
.conspiracy. I think Judaism has become a culture based entirely on

Entirely? That's all there is to it, period? Finito? At every level and
in every Jew?

The mostly Eastern European Jews who came over after the
.Civil War brought all their old hates and revenge feeling with them. I
.certainly have no trouble with the ideas of Judah P. Benjamin,
.Confederate Secretary of the Treasury, or the father of Barnard Baruch,
.who was Deputy head of the Confederate Medical Corps, or his Jewish
. As I have said to each clone, and wil have to say to each new one,
.is that your idea that Jews can have been mistreated throughout the ages
.and have no grudges at all in return is nuts.

I'd love to argue this sentence, but that would be like kicking a

Your idea that this
.revengeful attitude in what is now the official "I am Jewish, so..."
.attitude in America simply does not exist is post-World War II
.orthodoxy, but it is the swing of the same pendulum Hitler was part of.
. I think Jews are people, with the nastiness and hatred left in.
.Anti-semites think Jews are devils, you think Jews are angels.

Here is a sentence I partially agree with. I agree that Jews are people.
I think anti-semites are people who despise Jews for whatever reason --
they don't necessarily have to think they are devils, they just have to
want them dead or very far away from them. As to anyone who thinks any
living group of people --Jews included -- are angels simply because they
have undergone persecution is skipping on one leg. But I think this is a
straw man, Bob. Many of my clone friends are more than a little in
disagreement with politics in Israel these days.
> Now about this Politically Correct thing. How do you explain that I
> disagree with Bob Whitaker, therefore qualifying as a clone, yet I do
> believe the things he says I ought to believe. For example, I do not
> support the repression of the Palestinian people by the state of Israel.

. Good for you. But you don't mind the official Jewish attitude opf
.hostility to whites.

So Jews aren't white? Who is white? Are Italians white?

What are the races, Bob? Number them and explain them.

As for Poltiical Correctness, on this issue you
.agree with the standing position for decades of the Communist Party,
.USA, and you disagree with Jerry Falwell, so this really has nothing to
.do with Political Correctness.

Right. As far as I can tell, the only way to know if something is PC or
not is to disagree with Bob Whitaker. Then you can be certain that you
are PC. I'm not like the other clones in this one respect -- I know you
can't be fooled by someone agreeing with you on something now and then.
You understand that people and beliefs come only in polar blocks of Right
(Bob) and Wrong (PC). Any spurious agreement we might seem to have with
you is either some confusion we are experiencing or not central to the
crucial dichotomy of (Bob) and (PC).

Or a crafty trick.

If you disagree with PC about the
.treatment of groups which are not officially persecuted minorities, it
.would be worth listening to.

1.Aside from whites, who would that be in your estimation?
2. And of course it would be worth listening to, because he would be
agreeing with you, which is the only criteria which can validate

> So if I'm different, how do you have the gall to call me a clone?
> (I think it's because racists love to put things in simple categories,
> even if the world is much more complex than that. In their world,
> prefer to only have McDonalds, Burger King, and Wendies; they'd deny the
> existance of KFC, Taco Bell and Pizza Hutt: the weasels.)
> Finally, my beliefs. I believe in judging people on who they are,
> what they do, and what they say. I don't care about color, religion,
> or favorite ice-cream flavor. I've known my share of nasty blacks,
> jews, and whites. And I've known plenty of generous, honest, good
> people in those categories. Race doesn't matter. Humanity matters.

. Standard insincere clone statement. As I said above, you ahev
.these virtuous feelings where it can be used to destroy whites.

> Carl Skutsch

Don't worry. I'll keep repeating this until you hear me.