Re: ...until you newbies showed up....

Horst (
05 Jul 1995 00:23:00 +0100


In article <3t0id5$> (30 Jun 95),
Paul Schlyter ( wrote:

> For the same reason that we consider extinct religions to be anthropology.
Are you making word games?

> My example showed how metallurgy evolved from an art to a science. Except
> for a brief transition period, it never was both at the same time.
For a part of the users. The people, who did understand really what
metallurgy is, are thinking in the other way about it. For them the art
has never stopped and the science was always there.

> And how do you know that was science and not art to the ninja's ??
Because the perfection shows that they have a speciel knowledge. No
chance, not only beautiful.

> > This pieces are so beauty and well-formed, that it is really art - great
> > art.
> That's SOMETHING ELSE -- don't confuse the two!
No. It is different to make something beautiful or to make something good
for a special purpose.

> Making a high-quality metal is one thing -- shaping this metal into
> aesthetically pleasing shapes is a completely different thing.
Right. First thing is science - second is art.

> > Another example: I'm painting in oil and I have read few books about oil-
> > painting - to paint well, you need the science (or your pictures will
> > loose their colours and they will not getting older than 50 years)
> WHAT science?
How to use the different materials of oil painting is a science - or do
you think, you only have to smear colours onto canvas and it is ready?

> > Astrology is no exception. I like this statement of xxxxx, Astrology is
> > science and art. It's the first time that I feel intuitive, that a
> > statement about the subject "science and Astrology" is true.
> It appears that you like to confuse matters. Maybe that can appear
> stimulating to the mind, but it's not an accurate description of
> reality...
What is stimulating my mind in this case that is the smell of reality.
Nothing confused...

> > We need the science to find the positions of the planets and stars,
> Yep! Astrology needs astronomy, but astronomy has no need for astrology...
So, please look to the stars. What do you see without astrology?
A star is a star is a star, not more. Is that enough for you?

> Any powerful tool can, if misused, cause horrible things to happen.
You mixed up a "t" with a "f".
Any powerful FOOL can, if misused, cause horrible things to happen.

> > Astrology didn't do that in milleniums.
> That's because astrology lacks that power, it's not because
> astrologers are any better people than others. Krafft, Adolph
> Hitler's astrologer, would surely have used astrology for destructive
> purposes if astrology had such powers.
They have TRIED to use astrology for their bad doing, but the power in
this "tool" is, that you cannot misuse it like the pure science.

> > I know a lot of that poor people. They walk around and they cannot find a
> > way, to talk with other people. And their last possibility is then to
> > come and say: hey, I know something about astrology. You like to do a
> > reading. And so on. They are not far from these guys, who encourage
> > little children with sweets.
> And they contribute a lot to the image of astrology.....
They are showing the image of their own individual being, this has nothing
to do with the image of astrology.

If there is NO HATE - there will be NO WAR.

Greeting... Horst

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