Re: Science and Unemployment...

Madhudvisah dasa Swami (
Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:04:47 GMT (Ken Smith) wrote:

>Another posting where the original seems to have disappeared in
>transit, so I am using one of the follow-ups to respond to it.

>This is a response to (Madhudvisah dasa Swami) whose
>writing is embedded in:

> (Clint Brome) writes:

>> (Madhudvisah dasa Swami) writes:
>>> (Kevin Sterner) wrote:
>>>>No, as a matter of fact I do not. The main problem with welfare statism
>>>>is not the expense, or the burden it places on the resources of the
>>>>productive members of society, or the fact that it returns nothing to
>>>>the economy. It is that it destroys the fabric of society by creating
>>>>a permanent underclass that is for the most part incapable of breaking
>>>>the cycle of poverty.

>>>And why is that? Because science has produced so much wonderful advanced
>>>technology and abolished the jobs they used to do... If the society
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>provided jobs they could do these people [who are now unemployed] would
>>>work and be fine upstanding citizens... They would be paying tax, they
>>>would be consuming... they wouldn't be a burden at all. But how can they
>>>be productive? Your machines are doing all the work! It is a great
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>paradox... you are making "advancements" but your "advancements" are
>>>putting people out of work. You then have to pay them social security
>>>[which comes out of your own pockets] As you "advance" more and more so
>>>many more become unemployed as a result... Thus science destroys the

>>>Thank you. Hare Krishna!

>>>Madhudvisah dasa Swami
>>>Quotes from His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
>>>(c)Bhaktivedanta Book Trust

>Ah, yes.
>The computer network has abolished the jobs which used to be done by
>carrier pigeon.

Yes. It's much better I must admit...

>Madhudvisah dasa Swami seems to be much like the creationists in one
>They write tirades against quantum mechanics, and use computers with
>their memory chips designed using quantum mechanics to do so.
>Here we have someone complaining about modern technology, and using
>that technology to complain about the technology which he is using to
>complain ....

Well you've gone to all the trouble of making the computers so we might as
well use them to help spread the glories of God [Krishna] that makes your
efforts worthwhile. We wouldn't have bothered to make them ourselves...

It's not really good, it is an "anartha". It means unnecessary thing...
But we can all such "unnecessary things" in the service of Krishna. Then
they become worthwhile.

It is all Krishna's energy anyhow. You have just discovered it that's all.
Krishna put the qualities into the silicon so it would work in your
computer chips... And he has given you good brains to work out how to
build the computers... It's only fair that you use the technology to
glorify God...

But the point of my posting is not to criticize quantum mechanics or
computers. I am merely pointing out the paradox...

>Ken Smith
> | "God, we know you are in charge, but why
> | don't you make it slightly more obvious?"
> | Archbishop Desmond Tutu, 1990
> | (address to students at at West Point)

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mudho 'yam nabhijanati
loko mam ajam avyayam

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covered by My internal potency, and therefore they do not know that I am
unborn and infallible." (Bhagavad-gita 7.25)

Chant Hare Krishna and be Happy!

Thank you. Hare Krishna!

Madhudvisah dasa Swami

Quotes from His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
(c)Bhaktivedanta Book Trust