Re: you bickerers about pyramids, your Bible theories disgusts God

Doug Bailey (
Tue, 07 Jan 1997 11:00:06 -0500

John the ForeRunner wrote:
> Scholastic atheists are too blind to see the truth in the Bible.
> And the replies from the religious or those UFO nuts who stain
> God's truth by using the Bible, fabricate the most contradictory crap
> twisting reality equally if not more than atheists do.

I agree that people are prone to do such things and after reading your
post I would have to say to fit snugly among the ranks of those you just
described. Please see below as I attempt to fix the hideous mess of
presumption and downright fallacy that you have presented.

> > > >> Jiri:
> > > >> Tomorrow, if I get time, I will explain in detail just HOW the
> > > >> pyramids were built.
> * they were built first by tunneling a shaft into Giza in 2170 BC
> 200 years after a global Flood, and 140 years before people were
> old enough to die since three generations lived 430 years and the
> next three lived only 240 years.
> (means no honorable deaths or honorable tombs were dug or built
> for those dying until death was viewed as not the result of ill behavior
> but rather a global inevitable occurrence starting in 2030 BC.)
> Noah at 940 saw the plunge in longevity from internal C-14
> and Gilgamesh ran to him whimpering about what to do to stop it.
> Here's Egypt's pyramid versus the Bible's.
> The Great Pyramid being the first started doesnt mean it was the first
> finished. Doser's could still be the first finished as currently claimed.
> (the upper culmination is a modern view, not of ancient Egyptians).

As usual with many zealots, they are high on (unfounded) arrogance and
low on actual facts. Scholarly consensus holds that the Great Pyramid
was built by the Fourth Dynasty Pharoah Khufu in the period of 2551 BC
to 2528 BC. It should be noted that carbon dating of organic material
within the mortar (from several areas of the Great Pyramid has yielded
dates 3809 BC and 2869 BC (there is a modest range with these
measurement methods but they illustrate that the mortar was laid into
position no later than the 26th millenium BC). As for the wild
statements you made at the end of that paragraph regarding men living
900 years and Gilgamesh, they are their own refutation.

> Ed Conrad wrote
> > > >Oooooooo, Ed's gonna tell us how the Pyramids were built. This ought to
> > > >be good. If this theory is anything like his theories on mans origin I'm
> > > >gonna be on the floor.....
> >Dunkin' John wrote:
> > > What's the mystery? It is all there at Genesis 6:4 if ye will only read.
> > > The mighty men of old who built the pyramids were the unclean progeny
> > > of illicit couplings between the daughters of the Earth and the Nephilim.
> > > That is why the building of the pyramids ceased so abruptly. All the
> > > Nephilim half-breeds perished in the Great Flood. That is also why it
> > > is so dangerous for man to be experimenting to find ways of extending
> > > life and strength by genetic research on people.
> > > If such research continues, there will be another reckoning!
> > > The voice of one sobbing in the Wilderness; Matthew 3:3
> * this is assinine. Scripture clearly proves the Nephilim are not the
> fathers but the sons born from the cross marriage. Further, the pyramids
> were all built AFTER the Flood to count til the next global destruction.

"Scripture" proves nothing, it says lots of things... be careful. Your
statement regarding the reason the Pyramids were built has to be the
clearest sign you are quick to throw out speculations that fit your
little picture of the world and dress them up as unquestionable fact.
In the real world, the fact is we do not know for sure why the Pyramids
were built. The most cogent explanation I have seen has been they were
part of a rather elaborate tradition dating back to ancient times (The
Message of the Sphinx, Bauval and Hancock).

> They were NOT built by giants, and even Moses grew angry with you
> wicked church goers he sent into Canaan to hear you liars come back
> claiming the Nephilim were still alive in Canaan.
> It is religious priests who fabricated the concept that Adam or Seth or
> Enoch or Noah built pyramids to tell them when the Flood would come.
> The pyramids were a post-Flood device to count to our own destruction
> NOT the last one, the Flood. Modern scholars are not the first to have placed
> the pyramid in a year before the Flood and thus conclude they were built before it.

Flood? I saw somewhere you claim this "Flood" happened sometime in the
early 3rd millenium. Any sediment deposits to evidence this? Or is your
sole support your own glazed-eyed zealot approach to this issue? The
last major flooding of the what is now Egypt, Arabia, and the
surrounding regions was between 11,000 BC and 9000 BC. This flooding
was caused by the melting of the Wisconsin and Wurm ice-caps and the
earlier recession of the Tazewell Advance. Modern scholars do not
recognize the possibility of the flood in the early 3rd millenium.
Again, there is no evidence for such a claim. So before taking your
grain of inaccuracy and using it to go on a wild speculation tantrum,
how about find a few facts and then start from there.

> Moslems used Africanus to claim the pyramid was started by Noah when
> he got off the ark in 3258 BC. But because Eusebius said the Flood was 2958 BC,
> the popular claim came to say the pyramid was built 300 years before the Flood.
> Fabricating such sensationalism only serves to destroy faith in the reality
> of Bible truth. So I find your own Bible claims as disgusting as the atheists.

Its funny that your claims against your 'opponents' seem always very
appropriate for yourself. You are definitely "fabricating
sensationalism" that definitely destroys any chances of having any
cogent discussion on the matters at hand.

> A voice crying out and going unheard,
> (40 years Oct 7) Nehemiah's (9:1) 50th JUBILEE of Tishri 24
> God's 1000 years has begun Sep 14 of 1996.
> The 144,000 will rule before this first year ENDS.
> Discover the world's true chronology thru the Bible at

If I have not adequately illustrated John the Forerunner's lack of
grounding in anything resembling reality, I believe his SIG seals the
case shut. Problem is that zealots are never wrong in their own mind so
you end up watching them portray themselves as perfect and the holder of
some divine knowledge, when they in fact are suffering from what
psychologists term as mild delusions (of grandeur in John's case).