Re: Social Engineering (was: Different patriarchy Model)

Gerold Firl (
9 Jan 1995 13:09:22 -0800

In article <3el9i9$> (Bryant) writes:

>End of conversation? Plenty of people can observe that black men commit
>more violent crime per capita than others. Some will conclude that it
>has to do with "blackness" or "black culture" rather than ecological
>considerations of poverty maintained by disenfranchisement. P.Tom sounds
>like a racist, and appears to have at least come to some erroneous

No, actually that was me who sounds like a "racist".

And could you explain the part about the ecological considerations of
poverty maintained by disenfranchisemnt?

>Help him out. Point out cases where other groups subjected to similar
>circumstances have reacted similarly. Point out that West African men do
>not rank high in the world's homicide rates, while Americans of West
>African descent do. The best argument against racism isn't ideological
>condemnation, but a simple presentation of facts.

Sounds good to me.

Do you know of any analogous situations? Most societies of the past held
slaves, and manumission was a common event, though I cant't think of any
cases of mass-manumission, such as occured in the US. What about the
islands of the caribbean? cuba, the bahamas, jamaica; what about guyana -
how does the history of race relations in these nations compare with the

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me, and me alone, so sue us god. I won't tell Bill & Dave if you won't.
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