Re: Early Amerind assimilation (Was: Re: Romans in the New World?)

Peter Bromfield (
Tue, 13 Aug 1996 13:31:42 GMT

Stella Nemeth wrote:
> Peter Bromfield <> wrote:
> >G Sutton wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <>,
> >> Peter Bromfield <> wrote:
> >> >I don't think you are going back far enough. In order to gain more
> >> >insight into 'race' we need to examine the history of not only the
> >> >United States, but also that of Europe. In case you didn't know, The
> >> >so-called Moors ruled Portugal and Spain for about 500 years, they were
> >> >the ruling class there at that time. There is also reason for me to
> >> >believe that these Moors also ruled other parts of Europe as well.
> >> What other parts of Europe do you believe they ruled?
> >Perhaps parts of Austria, Germany and France for a shorter period of
> >time.
> When?

During the time of the Moors (the 6th to the 11th century).

> >>
> >> >These Moors WERE BLACK PEOPLE.
> >> These Moors were a Muslim army from North Africa, composed of Arabs, Berbers
> >> and Syrians, all of which are Caucasoids and not Negroids.
> >Nonsense.
> Not to those of us who use our eyes.

If you examine older historical documents, they were clearly described
as black people. Older European Literature also descibes the Moors as
being black, why would they lie about the color of the Moors. If you
want to believe they were white, fine but this is historically

> >> Of the medieval
> >> Caliphate of Cordova, it has been written, "most of the Caliphs were >fairor
> >> ginger-haired with blue eyes" (Moorish Spain, p.24).

What is the date of this reference? This does not say they were all
white. Also, it says "most of the Caliphs were fairer". This is a
comparative statement meaning that some of them were darker.

> >This is absolutely absurd, it is common knowledge that the moors were
> >black.
> Common knowledge is wrong then.

This is the last time I will respond to your ignorance.

> >> In fact Arabs have
> >> always considered themselves distinct from Negroids and even in >present-day
> >> Iraq a citizen can obtain a legal judgment against a person falsely >accusing
> >> him of Negro ancestry (Caravan, p.161).
> >This is about the most rediculous thing I have ever heard. It sounds
> >like something from the slave days in the U.S. If Iraq actually does
> >this, then the Iraqi government and law makers are the dumbest people on
> >the planet. I thought the U.S. had stupid policies, this takes the cake.
> >I'd like to see a black Iraqi come over here and try to convince me that
> >he is white, when African-Americans look less 'negroid' than he does. I
> >know they put oil in their hair and crap, but they can't fool us.
> Why is it important for you that an Iraqi believe s/he is black when
> they aren't?

It isn't important, I just find this hard to believe. For your
information, some of the most highly regarded and respected families in
The Middle East have blacks in them. The family tree of Muhammad (the
profit of Islam) has blacks in it, and when I say black I mean coal
black. Indeed, some of the greatist scholars in Islam are descended from
Ethiopian slaves.

> >>
> >> >It was an honor for white people to marry Moors at that time. I > >believe some
> >> >where near the 11th century, the Moors were conquered by Germanic people from
> >> >the East. It stands to reason that ALL OF THE MOORS WERE NOT KILLED OFF, many
> >> >converted to Christianity and became allies with the Germanic invaders, some
> >> >became Scientists, political leaders, and were accepted into German, British,
> >> >Dutch, and Polish noble families. So during a certain time period there WERE
> >> Again you have made the mistake of assuming the Moors were Negroids.
> No. Sorry. You are wrong. Shouting isn't going to make you right.

Go to a good library and visit the geneality section. Ask for the oldest
coats of arms of European families that they have (you might have to do
an inter-library loan). Look for people with the last name Moor and also
look for were the people of Moorish ancestry are.


> Stella Nemeth