Re: tears

J. Moore (
Fri, 20 Oct 95 18:06:00 -0500

Ja> I look forward to hearing it. The tears argument is the strongest
Ja> argument in favour of AAT as far as I'm concerned, and if you convince
Ja> me it's bullshit I will give up on the theory.
Ja> James Borrett.

It's on its way.

Jim Moore (

p.s. I'll assume everyone who's reading this post saw James Borrett's
post "crying as a marine marker". In it he offers William Frey's book
*Crying: The Mystery of Tears* (more on that in my post) as a
reference, along with quotes from four sources. These refs are
extremely interesting: not only does he list Frey's book title in
just the same abbreviated way it appears in Morgan's work, and not
as he would have found it if he had actually looked at it, but he
also makes several mistakes in his quotes. By the greatest of
coincidences these mistakes are exactly those mistakes which appear
in Morgan's quotes. James, if you don't want to get caught with
your pants down, you should look up your own quotes rather than
getting them from Morgan.

If you want to say you did look them up, perhaps you'll be so good
as to point me to the page number in Homer Smith's 1953 *From Fish
to Philosopher* where you claim he said, 'Nasal dripping was
observed to occur when the birds had been fighting with each other,
during their ritual dancing, or even during the excitement of
feeding time.' I couldn't find it, and in fact Smith says very
little about birds of any kind in that book.

Come to think of it, isn't it also an amazing coincidence that
in this one post, unlike his others, James used single rather than
double quotes. English-style rather than American-style. Wonder
why? Could it be:

Ja> I also agree that it is annoying that Elaine Morgan sometimes
Ja> doesn't give full references, but she's always helpful in
Ja> this respect over the email.
Ja> James Borrett.

Oh. I see.

Elaine Morgan doesn't seem to be so helpful with me. I've asked
her for any and all references for her statements, and have yet
to receive a single one. As for "sometimes doesn't give full
references", that's a real laugh. A full reference from Elaine
Morgan is as rare as... well, as rare as a full and accurate
reference from any AATer.

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