Re: Gerold Firl and ethnographic data

Len Piotrowski (lpiotrow@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
Wed, 2 Oct 1996 16:02:45 GMT

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In article <52sb85$jdv@news.sdd.hp.com> geroldf@sdd.hp.com (Gerold Firl) writes:

>[snip]

>In article <lpiotrow.501.32500647@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, lpiotrow@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Len Piotrowski) writes:

>|> In article <52jb5g$15la@argo.unm.edu> mycol1@unm.edu (Bryant) writes:

>|> >I was simply making the point that if you ask for a reference and get
>|> >one, you don't have a lot to whine about, so long as it covers the topic.

>|> Unfortunately, most of what Firl assigns to this reference is wrong or
>|> fraudulent.

>"Assigns"? What I "assign" to _profiles in ethnology_? You're getting
>more incoherant as we go. Are you claiming that I am misrepresenting
>elman service, or that _profiles_ is "wrong or fraudulent"? I'd like
>to see you substantiate either one. Show an instance where I have
>wrongfully or fraudulantly "assigned" (sic) something, or where the
>book is "wrong or fraudulent".

>Here's a scientific prediction: you won't be able to do it.

Don't bet on it, Firl. Here's ...

"Some salient facts:

In arunta ideology, conception is divorced from copulation. conception
is thought to result from the quickening influence of the local totem
spirit upon the mother. Husbands and wives have sexual relations, but
marital fidelity is not insisted upon, and at the periodic festivals
when large groups of the sparsely populated interior congregate, sexual
licence is encouraged. Arunta men undergo the process of subincision,
where the penis is slit from root to head through the urethra; semen
thus is not ejaculated so much as dribbled."

From: geroldf@sdd.hp.com (Gerold Firl)
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Subject: culture as gene-flow regulator: the arunta
Date: 17 Sep 1996 19:35:00 GMT
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|> Salient citations?

Elman Service, _profiles in ethnology_.

From: geroldf@sdd.hp.com (Gerold Firl)
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Subject: Re: culture as gene-flow regulator: the arunta
Date: 18 Sep 1996 20:08:56 GMT
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~~~

Additional Salient tidbits:

"Among the sparse populations of the australian interior, there are
comparitively few mates to choose from, and cousin marriage is very
common. Most people in any given area are fairly closely related."

"... jealousy or sexual competition among the arunta ..."

"Among the arunta, cousin marriage is the typical pattern. Partners are
generally found in the local group. (same citation as before)"

" I'm going by what e. service writes ..."

"... the arunta custom of widespread sexual activity at
ritual gatherings ..."

From: geroldf@sdd.hp.com (Gerold Firl)
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Subject: Re: culture as gene-flow regulator: the arunta
Date: 24 Sep 1996 20:35:22 GMT
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References: <51muh4$kve@news.sdd.hp.com> <lpiotrow.471.323F14A5@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <51pkso$639@news.sdd.hp.com> <51u9je$e8b@mujibur.inmind.com>

That should do nicely for now, don't you think?

Cheers,

--Lenny__

"If you can't remember what mnemonic means, you've got a problem."
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