Re: Science and Unemployment...
peter lucey (lucey@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE)
30 Jun 1995 08:53:53 GMT
Madhudvisah dasa Swami (shelter@peg.apc.org) wrote:
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: >Humility.
Hi,
I'm an occaisional reader of sci.skeptic and followed this thread;
Thanks for the posting and I hope my reply is not too intemperate. It's
just that you sound like Sting on steroids -:)
: Generally we accept the status-quo without questioning it. If we havent
Maybe followers of the Bagwash Asrhi Narg are not, er, *encouraged* to
question His teachings?
: current social and political system you may be surprised. I have spent
: some time in Indian villages and have seen a different lifestyle
: altogether. There things are going on in a very simple way without much
: emphasis on economic development. Things go on in much the same way as
: they have been going on since time immemorial. There are no new models
: coming out, no new building materials, no multinational corporations, no
: new fads. Life is simple.
You were on holiday. You flew into India on an airconditioned plane;
you had the security of modern, industrialised society throughout
your trip. And then you went back to Australia. It's unfortunate that
the worthy, hard-working, under-educated villagers who put up with your
little sojourn did not have the same opportunity. They, and their
descendants, are sentenced to an eternity of subsistence toil.
: The villagers have land, cows and bulls. They milk the cows, plow the
: fields and transport the produce with the bulls, and they grow food grains
: and vegetables on the land. They make simple but comfortable dwellings
: from readily available ingredients: bamboo, mud, cow-dung, and so on.
: Everything is clean and civilized. They are cooking very nice food with
: the produce of the land and the milk from the cows and their lives are
: full and happy. Although they are busy working the land, cooking,
: cleaning, bring water from the well, washing cloths, etc., still they are
: nowhere near as busy as we are in the Western world. They have time to
: think and time to serve God. When I saw this I was amazed. My Western
: conditioning didnt prepare me for this. I couldnt imagine how people
: could be living a civilized and comfortable life without the modern
: amenities we take for granted. There is no running water, no hot water,
: no electricity, hardly any furniture, no household gadgets, no carpets,
: none of the stuff we fill our houses with, yet I could perceive these
: people were happy and peaceful in this lifestyle. They have a peacefulness
: you just cant find in Pitt Street Mall, or anywhere in Sydney for that
: matter.
You fell in love -:) This really should be a Hollywood script, with Jodie
Foster as the selfless doctor who re-discovers herself in the primitive
virtues. Great fun, if you have an AC-equipped caravan between takes -:)
: Their incomes are very small compared to our standards. We get twenty
: rupees for one Australian dollar and in Indian villages if someone is
: making twenty rupees a day its considered a huge income. They really
: dont need so much money because their lifestyle is simple. Its not that
: they are poor or missing out on anything...they have good food, clothes
: and comfortable houses, what else do they need?
Can't you understand how @#$%ly offensive you opinions are? You come from
another planet in terms of wealth. Would you swap - really swap, I mean
- your life and expectations for theirs?
: Seeing this lifestyle prompted me to compare it with ours in Australia. I
: dont think we are better off than the Indian villagers. This was
: initially quite a shock to me as I had assimilated all the subtle
: brainwashing our society gives us to instill in us the desire to consume
: to the maximum possible extent and thus keep the capitalistic machinery
: running.
Why did you return, then? Work in the fields in India, bring up a family
on the bounteous earth, leave the rest of us in our technological Hell.
You might give the villagers a chance to swap roles, too
: We earn and spend so much money, but what is the result? What do we have
: that the Indian villagers dont have? We have a house, it may be
: double-brick and in a posh suburb, but after all its a house. We are
Not made of cow-dung, though. Would'nt the women of the village
prefer your modern dwelling? (What is the experience of women in this
stable-state paradise?)
[Third-form Marxism deleted]
: Its perfectly alright to spend $2,000 on a computer and then throw it on
: the junk-heap eighteen months later because its obsolete. I actually
: bought this computer at an auction for $200, because it is a few years
: old. If you havent got the latest model youre missing out... or so the
: story goes.
You have just disproved you entire previous point about obsolesence (sp)
: Dissatisfaction is actually created in our society to fuel the
: capitalistic machine. But what sort of lifestyle does that give us? We are
: forced to work hard for things we dont actually need only to find twelve
: months after we purchase them they are obsolete, they have no resale value
: and there is a new machine on the market with many more features.
Beats toiling in the hot sun for a few grains. FOREVER.
: mindless diversions to consume our energy. We can watch the television,
: play some sport, go to the beach, take some drugs, find a girl and try to
: arrange some sex life, go to a party, go to a disco, go to a pub, go to a
: restaurant, go to the movies, read the newspaper, go shopping... there is
: no end to the list of diversions available to us... perhaps thats why we
: consider ours an advanced society?
I think all the above are opportunities for which I am extremely grateful.
To a subsistence farmer they must be glimpses of Paradise.
Oh, and you ommitted "or take an eco-tour and patronise hard-working poverty".
: Thank you. Hare Krishna!
You're welcome.
Forgive me for saying this, but you sound literate and intelligent. Life
can be hard and complicated; we struggle to make it better; please don't
throw your talents away on some guru's crazed panacea-mysticism.
IMHO the villagers can be just as confused as you. They are simply much,
much poorer.
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