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Re: Racism and ancient history
Dr. Doug (vivacuba@ix.netcom.com(Dr.)
1 Jan 1997 16:23:19 GMT
In <5absg8$nid@news.sdd.hp.com> geroldf@sdd.hp.com (Gerold Firl)
writes:
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>In article <5a6c1l$9sh@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>,
vivacuba@ix.netcom.com(Dr. Doug) writes:
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>|> In <5a1bn1$kr0@news.sdd.hp.com> geroldf@sdd.hp.com (Gerold Firl)
>|> writes:
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>|> Interesting about the Moors in Spain. Again, a non-capitalist
origin
>|> of racism. Did that anti-Arab racism continue in Spain?
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>Throughout the 16th century the primary rivals of the spanish
>habsburgs in the mediteranean were the ottoman turks and their
>proxies, the barbary pirates. The american adventure, in comparison,
>was viewed as a sideshow compared to the big-money stakes in the med.
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>I don't know how that translates into racism, actually. The enmity was
>certainly there, but I don't get much of a feeling that racism played
>a major ideological role. Religion was certainly played-up as the most
>important differentiator.
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>And was it
>|> used to support the economic/political rule of the light-skinned
>|> Northerners over the dark-skinned Southerners?
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>I'm not sure what you mean by this: in spain? In north africa? Was
>there in fact such a racial gradient?
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I was wondering about racism in Spain, and if it existed at the time of
the Conquista. I know religion was used as a justification for war and
stealing. But was race? In other words, did the light-skinned
"winners" from the north write and talk about "dark-skinned subhuman
Moors," and was there concern about inherent inferiority and physical
identification of Jews? Remember the Nazis and their "How to identify
the Jew" films and classes? The Nazis and modern racists really aren't
concerned too much woth Jewish religion. "Once a Jew, always a Jew."
But I seem to recall the successful "conversion" and full integration
of Jews and Moors into Spanish society. In fact, conversion to
Christianist was a way of saving family fortunes in much of Europe
during periods of anti-Jewish pogrom hysteria.
Dr. Doug
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