Re: IQ AND RACE. The taboo subject.

Stephen Lajoie (lajoie@eskimo.com)
Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:59:22 GMT

In article <mbanetD47rCF.Cxq@netcom.com>,
David Waters <mbanet@netcom.com> wrote:
>Stephen Lajoie (lajoie@eskimo.com) wrote:
>: The current political thought is that all the problems blacks have are
>: due to the racism of whites. It is an absurd assumption.
>
>Who's political thought is this? Has anyone ever suggested that you
>might be A LITTLE GUILTY of over-generalizing??? :->

Actually, it was the observation of a well known black leader that blacks
tend to blame whites for all their problems.

That blacks are behind is due to the prejudice of whites has been
asserted by many in this thread.

>Previously, David Waters wrote:
>: >BTW, look at how the 3rd, 4th, and 5th generations are doing. It seems
>: >that the "American independence" attitudes are erroding the tough Asian
>: >work ethic!!!
>
>: Data?
>
>Compare the test scores of later generations to earlier generations.

I don't know of any such data. Why don't you produce the data here, and
cite your sources?

>Consider the SEGA/NINTENDO influence and the greater influence that
>American culture, in general, plays in their lives. BTW, I have an Asian
>godson and, of course, many friends and (former) coworkers are Asian.

Oh, geeze! That's right up there with "many of my friends are black".

> I
>don't require that they take tests, but I do see a big difference from
>generation to generation!!! You should conduct more (better) field
>experiments of your own.
>
>Besides, hasn't it ever occured to you that only the best and brightest
>(most desired) Asians are allowed to enter the US legally? Was it the
>wealthy and educated who fled Viet Nam or do you think that they stayed
>and waited for the Communists to "forgive" them? Does the US give an
>equal amount of criminal visas as it does student visas?

Scores of US Asians are consistant with those in Asia. Scores of US
blacks are higher than Africans.

>Stephen Lajoie (lajoie@eskimo.com) wrote:
>: It's in the Book, TBC. Do you have other data?
>
>You're a "dry-labber"!!! :-)

It is not required to reproduce every experiment in order to accept the
results.

>Stephen Lajoie (lajoie@eskimo.com) wrote:
>: The data indicates taht minorities are not as meritorious. If you have
>: better data, present it. If you can not accept the data, then why do you
>: accuse ME of being incapable of open thought? You wouldn't even entertain
>: the possibility.

[Deleted long, boring stories, anecdotes, an other completly irrelvant
horn blowing.]

>Wake-up, Stephen, these stories are VERY TRUE but they're not going to
>show-up on any of the statistics that you seem to live by.

They DO show up. We are talking about distributions! Geeze. Doesn't
anyone take statistics in engineering school anymore?

After all the blowing of your own (engineering) horn, I am flabergasted that
you don't believe in facts and data. It leads me to suspect that you were
taking credit for the work done by other people on the team. No decent
engineer would ever suggest that any other engineer ignore scientifically
gathered data and listen to a bunch of pointless anecdotes.

> BTW, don't
>even think that these are the only or best (worst) cases that I know of.
>Remember that I worked at Rockwell from 03 Apr 1979 until 17 Dec 1993 (I
>was born in August 1960) and there's not enough bandwidth to tell you
>everything that's missing from your so-called statistical data.

Say "distribution". Can you say "normal curve"? I never said that there
were not smart African Americans. I just pointed out that intelligence is
distributed differently.

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Steve La Joie

lajoie@eskimo.com