Re: IQ AND RACE? HUH?

Stephen Lajoie (lajoie@eskimo.com)
Wed, 8 Feb 1995 20:09:33 GMT

In article <3h545d$7n6@panix.com>, J Lopez <jlopez@panix.com> wrote:
>In <D3KC48.n43@eskimo.com> lajoie@eskimo.com (Stephen Lajoie) writes:
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>>In article <3h2nip$s3b@panix.com>, J Lopez <jlopez@panix.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Again, if they were ignorant, on what basis do you call them "intelligent?"
>>>Maybe they seemed to be smart, but were missing Aces out of the deck, so
>>>to speak.
>
>>Ignorant does not equal "not intelligent". Intelligence makes it easier
>>to not be ignorant, but simply having intelligence does not endow a
>>person with knowledge of all things.
>
>I'm still wondering on what basis you called those fools intelligent...
>
>>>So, is "hardworkingness" a part of intelligence?
>
>>No.
>
>You sound awfully sure of that. I think it is.

And I think you're wrong. One is a personality trait that is learned. The
other is an ability that is influenced by environment and genetics.

>>>Let's not forget that "stupid" and "lazy" often go together.
>
>>An interesting stereotype. I have found many hard working people that
>>were not particularly bright. And many bright people that were lazy.
>
>Intelligence is "problem solving ability," more or less. Correctamundo?

Yes.

>How are you able to solve a problem if you're unable to divert any effort
>towards it? You know that other old aphorism about genius--?

You wount. That doesn't mean you couldn't solve the problem if you tried.

>>I'd have to say that stupid and lazy don't go together. Work smarter, not
>>harder.
>
>That has nothing to do with laziness. Laziness is a disinclination to work.
>The "harder" in that old chestnut involves working hard, not because one is
>inclined to, but because one doesn't know any better. I'd say MOST lazy
>people wind up working harder at what they actually need to accomplish
>than they would have done if they had worked "smarter" in the first place.
>Look at yourself in grad school. I'll bet you had to work twice as hard
>to "catch up" to the people who already had learned good study habits in
>undergrad.

Lets' just agree to disagree about lazyness and intelligence.

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