Re: Is white racism nec. all bad?

Gary Elliott (gelliott@oeonline.com)
Sat, 8 Apr 1995 00:44:02 GMT

geroldf@sdd.hp.com (Gerold Firl) writes:

>I'll cut to the chase. Talk to any store-owner who has a multi-racial
>clientelle. Blacks are more likely to steal than whites. That's reality. We

Wrong,the majority of theft is by EMPLOYEES. Any attempt to deny this
basic fact of retail theft control, automatically puts the speaker beyond
any serious consideration. The majority of employees in
this country are white so the majority of theft is by whites. Your
arguement is accepted as fact by most people simply due to the
rationalizations white employees make for their thefts (I deserve this
stuff, I had it coming to me, They screw us all the time, so it's really
mine.....). The same rationalizations that black criminals make.

>can talk about the whys and wherefores, and obviously the history of
>slavery and discrimination has played a formative role in creating this
>situation. But a person who is trying to make a living, and is trying to
>minimise losses to theft, is not interested in the history of race-based
>sociological differentiation; they are concerned about being robbed. Their

True, but since your original arguement is false this is irrelevant. Said
merchant had better realize that his merchandise is going out the back
door not the front or he is not going to survive.

>racist perceptions are not absorbed as part of a systemic american ethic of
>white-supremecist jim-crowism, but in response to very personal
>interactions on a daily basis. Until the disparity between black and white
>crimes rates gets much smaller, racism will not disappear.
Sorry, but whites and blacks are ARRESTED in numbers proportionate to
their percentages of the general population. More blacks are CONVICTED
and IMPRISONED. This proves nothing, except that whites can generally
afford better lawyers and juries, judges and parole boards are more likely
to see young black men as a threat to society.

>a criminal minority, but people can't afford *not* to. This goes for cops
>even more than for store-owners.

No as a TAXPAYER, I reject this out of hand. As a FREE MAN with God-given
and constitutional rights, I have no such obligation to "understand" such
nonsense. To put it plainly, I don't care how tough it is for
storeownwers or cops. Cops, especially, since I am paying their damn
salary. If they can't deal with it they can get another job. F-them and
the "thin Blue Line". No hoodlum is as dangerous as the state unbridled.
I can't speak for any other city but here in Detroit we made ourselves
clear by putting two killer cops in jail. The white community was
astonished and outraged, but since they ran away to the suburbs, a long
time ago, they don't have jack to say about it.

>I realise that mentioning such unpleasant facts is considered poor form by
>many. It gets people upset, and in some situations truely constitutes a

No, but the posting of sterotypes and mother-wit is.

>faux pas. This, however, is ostensibly a forum for the free, frank, and
>open discussion of difficult issues. Race is a difficult issue for not only

True, you are free to lie all you want, just expect to be held
responsible for them.

>american society, but for human society at large. Here, of all places,
>where we can discuss these issues dispassionately, we have an obligation to

No, there is nothing dispassionate about racism or racist fables
masquerading as facts.

>face the facts unflinchingly. So far, the discussion has fallen far short

Fine, give me some facts, and I'll stand like a stone wall. But keep
throwing clods of manure and i'll keep ducking.

>Lets try to do a little better, shall we?

DITTO

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