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Re: American Indians skin tone and the Vikings
Peter/Stephen Sjolander (sjoland@ix.netcom.com)
7 Oct 1995 13:48:50 GMT
You forgot to mention my web site.
Peter Sjolander
The Viking Navy
http://www.digalog.com/peter/viknavy/vikhome.htm
In <4540ct$ncs@hpax.cup.hp.com> brunner@cup.hp.com (Eric Brunner
Contra) writes:
>
>Note to the non-mental cases in s.anth.paleo, this poster has
"blessed"
>us in sci.arch for some months with Norse nutgrammes. There is only
one
>known site of Icelandic/Greenlandic settlement west of Eastern
Greenland,
>the L'Anse aux Meadows site, where a brief settlement, consistent with
>14th century Icelandic records of an 11th century voyage, exists.
>
>To qoute my fiencee's response to another of his
Vikings-all-over-the-place
>posts:
> As far as Norsemen *fraternising* with the local Mainiacs, I
seriously
> doubt my ancestors would have been able to stand the stench of them,
> let alone take them into their wigwams. I hear tell that often
> considered having them for dinner, but found them too tough, and all
> that hair got stuck between the teeth.
>
>sjoland@ix.netcom.com (Peter/Stephen Sjolander) writes:
>: This pattern is done in red brick 10 feet tall on the east outside
wall
>: of the indian school one mile south of the 45 degree point on the
east
>: coast.
>:
>: @=\=/=|=\=/=@
>: ..X..|..X...+
>: @=/=\=|=/=\=@
>:
>: The "@" stands for the four tribes of the dawn people.
>:
>: The center post looks like a Viking ship mast.
>:
>: The two large Xs look like Viking sails.
>:
>: The "+" is the Viking symbol for the half way point between the pole
>: and the equator also found on the Kensington rune stone.
>:
>: The "."s just mark position on the computer they were not there.
>:
>:
>: Peter Sjolander
>:
>: In <44jc5d$n4u@hermod.uio.no> grant.hughes@bio.uio.no (Grant Hughes)
>: writes:
>: >
>: >In article <44bn7f$et6@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>,
sjoland@ix.netcom.com
>: (Peter/Stephen Sjolander ) says:
>: >>
>: >><snip>
>: >>>I remember reading of early (supposed initial contacts) with
groups
>: >>>such as the Mandan who had members with "European" features, i.e.
>: >>>light eyes, fair hair and paler skin. There have also been
attempts
>: >>>to correlate certain Indiginous words to Old Norse. I remember
the
>: >>>specific title of "The Norse-Mandan Dictionary" (rather
>: provocative).
>
>There is an _abundent_ corpus of literature from the fervid minds of
the
>19th century making such diffusionist claims.
>
>: >>++++++++++++
>: >>I have never heard of this Dictionary. Do you have any more
>: >>information about it?
>: >
>: >
>: >Sorry, I only remember noting it in some bibliography. But that
was
>: >long ago and I don't remember where it was.
>: >
>: >>>Some have claimed the well-known Mandan rites of passage to have
>: >>stemmed from
>: >>>emulation of the Crucifiction. If this is the case, it certainly
>: did
>: >>>not come from the colonies (not disputed) of the Vikings who were
>: then
>: >>>still pagans.
>
>And more of the same.
>
>: >>++++++++++++++++++++++
>: >>The peak of the Viking activity in Vinland was around the year
1000.
>: >>This was also about the time that Christanity was introduced to
the
>: >>Norse.
>: >
>: >When you say "the peak of activity" you are implying and increase
and
>: >decline of activity. The archeological evidence is sparce at best
and
>: >the litero-historical evidence describes a virtual one-time event
>: >(Vinlandssaga).
>: >
>: >>>
>: >>>Any cultural or genetic contribution by pre-Columbian Europeans,
>: >>however,
>: >>>can be assumed to be minimal.
>: >>>
>: >>>Does anyone have some concrete sources?
>: >>>
>: >>>GCH
>: >>+++++++++++++
>: >>Ever heard of the Kensington Rune stone?
>: >
>: >Peter, haven't we had this conversation before? The Kensington
Stone
>: >is widely (almost exclusively) considered a hoax. Besides, the
>: Kensington
>: >Stone isn't a concrete source....I believe it is a chunck of
>: Precambrian
>: >Shield stone. :)
>: >
>: >GCH
>
>Ahh, the stone that never seems to loose its attractions for the
obscessed.
>
>
>--
>Kitakitamatsinopowaw (I'll see you again)
>
> -- Eric Brunner
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