Re: American Indians skin tone and the Vikings

Eric Brunner Contra (brunner@cup.hp.com)
6 Oct 1995 19:34:53 GMT

Note to the non-mental cases in s.anth.paleo, this poster has "blessed"
us in sci.arch for some months with Norse nutgrammes. There is only one
known site of Icelandic/Greenlandic settlement west of Eastern Greenland,
the L'Anse aux Meadows site, where a brief settlement, consistent with
14th century Icelandic records of an 11th century voyage, exists.

To qoute my fiencee's response to another of his Vikings-all-over-the-place
posts:
As far as Norsemen *fraternising* with the local Mainiacs, I seriously
doubt my ancestors would have been able to stand the stench of them,
let alone take them into their wigwams. I hear tell that often
considered having them for dinner, but found them too tough, and all
that hair got stuck between the teeth.

sjoland@ix.netcom.com (Peter/Stephen Sjolander) writes:
: This pattern is done in red brick 10 feet tall on the east outside wall
: of the indian school one mile south of the 45 degree point on the east
: coast.
:
: @=\=/=|=\=/=@
: ..X..|..X...+
: @=/=\=|=/=\=@
:
: The "@" stands for the four tribes of the dawn people.
:
: The center post looks like a Viking ship mast.
:
: The two large Xs look like Viking sails.
:
: The "+" is the Viking symbol for the half way point between the pole
: and the equator also found on the Kensington rune stone.
:
: The "."s just mark position on the computer they were not there.
:
:
: Peter Sjolander
:
: In <44jc5d$n4u@hermod.uio.no> grant.hughes@bio.uio.no (Grant Hughes)
: writes:
: >
: >In article <44bn7f$et6@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>, sjoland@ix.netcom.com
: (Peter/Stephen Sjolander ) says:
: >>
: >><snip>
: >>>I remember reading of early (supposed initial contacts) with groups
: >>>such as the Mandan who had members with "European" features, i.e.
: >>>light eyes, fair hair and paler skin. There have also been attempts
: >>>to correlate certain Indiginous words to Old Norse. I remember the
: >>>specific title of "The Norse-Mandan Dictionary" (rather
: provocative).

There is an _abundent_ corpus of literature from the fervid minds of the
19th century making such diffusionist claims.

: >>++++++++++++
: >>I have never heard of this Dictionary. Do you have any more
: >>information about it?
: >
: >
: >Sorry, I only remember noting it in some bibliography. But that was
: >long ago and I don't remember where it was.
: >
: >>>Some have claimed the well-known Mandan rites of passage to have
: >>stemmed from
: >>>emulation of the Crucifiction. If this is the case, it certainly
: did
: >>>not come from the colonies (not disputed) of the Vikings who were
: then
: >>>still pagans.

And more of the same.

: >>++++++++++++++++++++++
: >>The peak of the Viking activity in Vinland was around the year 1000.
: >>This was also about the time that Christanity was introduced to the
: >>Norse.
: >
: >When you say "the peak of activity" you are implying and increase and
: >decline of activity. The archeological evidence is sparce at best and
: >the litero-historical evidence describes a virtual one-time event
: >(Vinlandssaga).
: >
: >>>
: >>>Any cultural or genetic contribution by pre-Columbian Europeans,
: >>however,
: >>>can be assumed to be minimal.
: >>>
: >>>Does anyone have some concrete sources?
: >>>
: >>>GCH
: >>+++++++++++++
: >>Ever heard of the Kensington Rune stone?
: >
: >Peter, haven't we had this conversation before? The Kensington Stone
: >is widely (almost exclusively) considered a hoax. Besides, the
: Kensington
: >Stone isn't a concrete source....I believe it is a chunck of
: Precambrian
: >Shield stone. :)
: >
: >GCH

Ahh, the stone that never seems to loose its attractions for the obscessed.

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		-- Eric Brunner