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Re: On predation.H. M. Hubey (hubey@pegasus.montclair.edu)23 Oct 1995 17:56:01 -0400
j#d#.moore@canrem.com (J. Moore) writes:
>I have posted this before, but am doing so again by request; it
Thank you.
>in mental and physical abilities to chimpanzees, and so can use that
proven? I thought chimps were forest animals and that their main
>The point is that avoiding all predation isn't what's needed, just
good. Like no crocs someplace.
The problem is that land predators can go anywhere where there is
>What you face is not just a chimp, but a group of chimps. A group
And the group of chimps would have faced groups of lions, hyenas
The strange thing is that the South African boy with the holes
>neither were australopithecines. In fact, even lone chimps have been
It suggests no such thing. It may suggest that the chimp was stupid
It may also suggest the homeostatis today. i.e. a single leoapard
>predators. To do this, he used a stuffed leopard dummy with electrically
Even lions which are dumber seem to realize after a while the
>tested several times, including groups in two different jungle areas,
What :-)..
>reacted by picking up sticks as clubs, breaking small trees and tree
Probably because they already know from experience that the only
>They grabbed the largest of the available clubs, which was 2.10 m long,
Largest available ?? 2.1 meter sounds like it would weigh more
>and they tore down small trees of about the same length; they slashed
Even a pack of hyenas can drive off a pride of lions if they
With the aid of the film we made,
Hmmm. That's 25 m/s or about 60 mi/hr. Can a baseball break human
BTW, a quick calculation says that they'd be able to throw this
>to what we observed in the jungle chimpanzees. During the final attack
I'd circle dummies too. I think the intelligence of the chimps
>readiness at some distance, in case they should be needed. Then the
Anthropomorphising. Some run, some stay behind, some fight.
>leader grabbed the tail of the leopard and ran away, tossing the
Yeah, try that with a live leopard or a lion among a whole
> "With that, the enemy was considered 'dead'. The apes showed no more
Dead but still attacking. Hmmm.. Is this science or wishful thinking.
> "A side effect of the experiment was the observation that the savannah
A real scientific statement! They must have had their chests
>Chimpanzees do not seem to be overly afraid of big cats; besides the
Leopards!!!
>chimps have been spotted screaming at lions (from a distance) but
What did they do afterwards :-)..
>Then there was that leopard den. A band of chimps went over to a
Did the chimps really know it was a leopard den? Just curious.
>some reason ;-). A couple of male chimps did, however, and dragged out
Hard to believe. Even a hen would attack under these circumstances.
Either the mommy leopard wasn't there or injured or something else
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