Re: WANTED: A good ethnography on culture in the U.S.

thomas w kavanagh (tkavanag@INDIANA.EDU)
Fri, 26 Jan 1996 09:21:55 -0500

Come on now, don't turn it around. All I asked was, since you cite
yourself as having written on the subject, how you consider the
Hodenausaunee "egalitarian." All I know on the subject is what I read
[BTW, I am interested in reading you article, or Dr. Leacock on the
subject, can you give me a reference?] and by applying Fried's definition,
they didn't seem to qualify. If you--and Morgan?-- are using another,
perhaps looser definition of the term, what is it? Has there been any more
recent examination of the subject?


On Thu, 25 Jan 1996, Ruby Rohrlich wrote:

> My knowledge of the Hodenausaunee seems not to be as extensive as yours
> seems to be, for I cannot answer your question, but I would be interested
> in your answer. However, the
> egalitarianism of the League of the Iroquois has been asserted by many
> anthropologists, beginning with Lewis Henry Morgan. Ruby Rohrlich
> On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, thomas w kavanagh wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, Ruby Rohrlich wrote:
> > <snip>
> >
> > > Although some anthropologists - Judith Brown, Eleanor
> > > Leacock and I -- have taught and written about the egalitarianism of
> > > American Indians, particularly the Iroquois Confederacy
> > <unsnip>
> >
> > I am interested in how you consider the Hodenausaunee "egalitarian." As
> > defined by Fried, an egalitarian society is one which "there are as many
> > positions of prestige in any given age-sex grade as there are persons
> > capable of filling them" (1967:33). This would seem not to apply to the
> > Hodenausaunee, or at least to the formal political aspects of the
> > "League," in which only certain specific clans and lineages in those clans
> > had/have control of the council chief positions. Moreover, the Tuscarora
> > have no representation in the formal councils. In what ways does the Clan
> > Mother of a non-represented clan have the kind of authority that a
> > represented Clan Mother has?
> > tk
> >