Re: Further Evolution beyond the Human?

Charles Dyer (
Thu, 10 Oct 1996 23:33:12 -0500

In article <>, wrote:

> Theodore A. Holden wrote:
> >
> > (socrates) wrote:
> >
> > >>Evolutionism (the idea that <survival of the fittest> is the only moral
> > >>law in nature) has brought us English colonialism, the opium wars,
> > >>robber-baron capitalism, fascism, naziism, and two world wars.
> > >>You want to know what comes next? The answer is that unless
> > >>humankind disabuses itself of this stupid bullshit, WW-III comes next.
> >
> > >Hate to interupt your diatribe with the facts but Colonialism, robber baron
> > >captilism, fascism, and opium wars where all pre Darwin events. As to
WWI it
> > >was a war for greed pure and simple. As to racism and hate they have been
> > >around for a very long time
> >
> > Learn some facts, and then worry about interrupting others with them;
the one
> > comes before the other.
> >
> > Ted Holden
> >
> English colonialism began no later than the 17th century in the New
> World. (I'm not counting Scotland, Ireland, Wales, etc, which go way
> back).

1605, I believe. Barbados. I don't have my refs handy, I may be wrong.

> I'm not sure of the date of the Opium Wars, but my guess is that they
> predate Darwin. They at least predate the general acceptance of natural
> selection, which didn't occur until the 20th century.

1st Opium War was 1842. Ted knows it, I've pointed that out to him before.
It'd be a bit difficult for the Opium Wars to have been influenced by
evolution when they started well before Darwin published. Perhaps Darwin
had a time machine...

> Robber-baron capitalism, in the style of Cornelius Vanderbilt, Jay Gould
> (ironic name coincidence!), etc., flowered in the late 19th century,
> long before the general acceptance of Darwinism.

Start of the robber barons in America predated the Civil War. True, they
didn't reach their peak until the 1880s and 90s, but they got their start
at about the time of the Mexican American War, or just after the 1st Opium

> Fascism dates from the Romans. The name comes from "fasces", which was
> the symbol of Imperial Roman power.

Didn't you know that according to Ted the Romans are all feeding his
cannibal creationist god too?

> Naziism does postdate Darwinism. I wonder what warped interpretation
> Darwinism the Nazis held?

Same as Ted's, I expect.

> Any suggestion that the WW-I and WW-II were caused by Darwinism is too
> ludicrous to deserve refutation. I suppose you could argue that
> Darwinism explains the evolution of a species as bloody-minded as ours.

According to Ted, everything negative about the 20th Century was caused by
evolution. Everything. Including the downing of TWA 800, no doubt.

> Far, far, far more people have died in the name of religious dogma than
> in the name of Darwinism.
> Steve Barnard