Re: Evidence for "Big Bang Theory"

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Wed, 10 May 1995 15:23:29 -0700

On 8 May 1995, Yasha Hartberg wrote:
> > I think you guys should move on to another topic. Nobody really gives a
> > good d*** what anyone else thinks. You can't change other people and they
> > can't change you. Why not just drop it? Life is entirely too short to
> > waste it arguing with brick walls.
> And thank you for your insightful addition to this thread. It is at least
> clear that YOU don't care enough what others think to spend even the least
> amount of time to understand what they are talking about.
> Yasha Hartberg

Well not really. I've been watching this thread for a while. I don't
see anyone listening to anyone else or learning what and why they think
to gain understanding. I do see lots of people being more and more
extreme and inflamitory in their language, on -all- sides of the
discussion -- which certainly doesn't encourage understanding or
acceptance in those with different beliefs. (tacos and the Great Pumpkin
would be prime examples here.) I've always loved this disscussion about
religion and science, but I really don't think much is being accomplished

If there is one person whoes views have been altered at all by being
ranted at (on either side of the argument) say something.


Okay. If there is one person here who has been offended by someone's
simplification or language here, say something.


Okay, I'm indulging in my own sarcasm here, for which I expect to be
flamed in the order of things, but I guess, sarcasm aside, the question is:

What do you hope to accomplish with this discussion?

If its really to get others to consider things that they haven't thought
about before, or to understand what others are thinking about and why
(because, lets face it: not -all- theists are simply "stupid" nor are
all scientists. in fact, there are some scientists who are theists <gasp>),
then what I've found to be more affective than insulting others, is
showing that you understand and respect their beliefs -- and that you are
willing to examine (not surrender) your own. If you react to what others
say with respect instead of scorn, they are more likely to listen to you.

Okay, self evident, but I haven't seen much of it in this discussion.
Flame away. Thats what the delete key is for!

in good humor and love, to scientists and creationists and astrologers alike,

hilary tombaugh

(I'm a theist, in case you don't know...)