Re: Racist attitudes controlled by treating it as a disease

Jim Barron (
Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:23:20 -0500 wrote:
> On 26/01/97 18:14, in message <>, Maria Wardale
> <> wrote:
> > In message <5cfel9$>
> > (Stuart Adamson) writes:
> > > hum, that's one way to put it. Now if anybody looked at the figures of
> > > violent crimes committed by ethinic minorities as a % (percentage) of the
> > > region ethic population, you would see that 'whites' commit much, much
> > > less crime on average. Does this not seem to suggest that if black (or
> > > other ethnic minorities) people are hated, then they have really brought
> > > it on themselves.
> On 26/01/97 18:14, in message <>, Maria Wardale
> <> wrote:
> >
> >
> > See other post on 'causes of crime'. Blacks often live in more
> > deprived areas where the 'cause' of crime is rife. Ie drugs, no
> > money, feelings of despair etc etc.
> > Perhaps you should compare figures between employed and unemployed
> > ethnic minorities before you quote.--
> >
> It seems to be received wisdom that crime is never caused by the actual
> perpetrators but by the conditions in which they live. To suggest that poverty
> and deprivation do not have a bearing on the cause of crime would be
> impossible. However, to suggest that such are _the causes_ is facile and will
> tend to militate against rather than assist in finding the answers.
> There are far too many examples of easily identifiable ethnic groups who have
> settled in countries in which their cultures and appearance are at odds with
> the local population and who have suffered, struggled and eventually succeeded
> in making worthwhile lives for themselves and worthwhile contributions to their
> new homes without criminal activity to the extent that plagues our modern
> "ghetto" areas. Each wave of immigrants to the USA certainly made their own
> contribution to crime but the vast majority - the overwhelming majority - made
> work for themselves, struggled through two or three generations, educated their
> children _in the culture of their new land_ , and were good citizens in every
> sense of the word.
> IMHO the difference in the experience of these immigrant groups and that of the
> current occupants of "the ghetto" is that no one was coming to bail them out,
> no one was passing laws that would specifically favour them and they had
> absolutely no doubt that they had to stand or fall by their own efforts.

They were also a NON-random group comprised of those who had the health,
resources, etc to be able to pick up and leave their old country and pay
the considerable costs of going to a new one. And they were
VOLUNTEERS, doing something they had CHOSEN to do. (This is NOT
trivial. Fasting (a VOLUNTARY abstinance from eating) can be tolerate
quite well for periods far longer than those which caused very serious
damage and even death in those actually starving (thru no volition of
their own). STRESS is the difference.

In addition, the voluntary immigrants brought their INTACT culture with

We Americans systematicly destroyed the culture of the slaves that we
forcibly brough into the country. And for generations we systematically
destroyed their family units - seperating parents and children, husbands
and wives, etc. at the whims of the owners.

Even when we "freed" them from slavery it was more in NAME than fact.
A hundred years later their schools were still GROSSLY substandard, they
were not allowed to eat in the same restuarants, drink at the same water
fountains, not even to wait in the same waiting rooms at the bus/train
stations, etc. When they traveled they found (at least in the South)
that there were virtually NO public restrooms available to them.

So RACISTS like yourself stand with you foot firmly on someone's head
and berate him because he has trouble getting off the ground.

I happen to be "white" but you make me VERY ashamed of my "race"!

There are few things more despicable that those who berate others for
the misfortunes that THEY have inflicted upon them.

> easy "cop-out" of alcohol, if not drugs, was always there and some took it.
> But, cohesive families, a strong sense of morality and the ability to make
> provision for the future were the keys to success.

The "easy cop-out" here is racists like yourself blaming the victems of
your racism for their misfortunes.

If you like racism so much, why not immigrate to South Africa? Oops,
too late! ;^)

Places for those like you are disappearing fast. Try Serbia (but you
might not like what's gonna happen to IT!)

> Perhaps current problems could be ameliorated by a lot less social welfare and
> a lot more social responsibility.

Yes. Like racistists like you acknowledging their share of
responsibility for the conditions you claim to deplore.

Please keep this racist trash off I has no place
> Regards, Mark