Re: Ad Yurii Gloriam (Yuri Contradicts Yuri)

Peter van Rossum (
Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:38:03 GMT

In article <5blp9l$> (Yuri Kuchinsky) writes:
>From: (Yuri Kuchinsky)
>Newsgroups: sci.archaeology.mesoamerican,sci.archaeology,sci.anthropology
>Subject: Re: Ad Yurii Gloriam (and Adios Yuri)
>Followup-To: sci.archaeology.mesoamerican,sci.archaeology
>Date: 16 Jan 1997 17:42:13 GMT
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In article <5blp9l$> (Yuri Kuchinsky) writes:

[blah, blah, blah deleted.]

>Quoting again from an expert (Peter sure isn't!):
>"proven beyond doubt"
>Who should we trust here?

Gee Yuri, perhaps you should heed your own words.

Below is what you said in an earlier post with regard to appeals
to authority. Can't even take your own advice can you?

Peter van Rossum

**********************Following is an earlier post by Yuri**************************
Subject: Re: maize in Europe and India: a twisted tale
From: (Yuri Kuchinsky)
Date: 1996/12/29
Message-Id: <5a55ut$>





While sometimes it may be appropriate to cite an authority
support a point, often it is not. In particular, an
appeal to
authority is inappropriate if:
(i) the person is not qualified to have an expert
opinion on the subject,
(ii) experts in the field disagree on this issue.

[Please note the above, Peter...]

(iii) the authority was making a joke, drunk, or
otherwise not being serious

A variation of the fallacious appeal to authority is
hearsay. An
argument from hearsay is an argument which depends on
second or third hand sources.


(i) Noted psychologist Dr. Frasier Crane recommends that
you buy the EZ-Rest Hot Tub.
(ii) Economist John Kenneth Galbraith argues that a
money policy s the best cure for a recession. (Although
Galbraith is an expert, not all economists agree on
(iii) We are headed for nuclear war. Last week Ronald
Reagan remarked that we begin bombing Russia in five
minutes. (Of course, he said it as a joke during a
microphone test.)
(iv) My friend heard on the news the other day that
will declare war on Serbia. (This is a case of hearsay;
fact, the reporter said that Canada would not declare
(v) The Ottawa Citizen reported that sales were up 5.9
percent this year. (This is hearsay; we are not n a
position to
check the Citizen's sources.)


Show that either (i) the person cited is not an authority
in the
field, or that (ii) there is general disagreement among
experts in the field on this point.


Cedarblom and Paulsen: 155, Copi and Cohen: 95, Davis: 69
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