Re: Homo erectus: racial variants of Homo sapiens?

Capella (
Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:48:40 -0600

Jim Foley wrote:
> In article <>, A Pagano <> wrote:
> >The following is posted on behalf of David Buckna <>:
> Why? If it can be shown that Homo erectus lived at the same time as
> modern man, Homo erectus may be no more than racial variants of Homo
> sapiens. That is what creationists such as Duane Gish ("Evolution: The
> Fossils Still Say No!", Master Books, 1995) have been saying for
> decades.
> Not exactly. Gish has always said that *some* Homo erectus are apes
> (Java Man and Peking Man), and that *some* are human (in a quick look
> through his 1995 book found I nothing about them being racial variants,
> though).
> On the face of it, it sounds implausible that two fossils assigned to
> the same species could be an ape and a human. And indeed it is. Visit
> to see just how ridiculous Gish's claims are.
> In it, you can see that one of Gish's "apes" and one of Gish's "humans"
> are extremely similar to each other, certainly far more so than either
> is to a human, or to a modern ape. (The above page has a cool new
> graphic, courtesy of Brett Vickers, showing the two fossils overlaid
> together. They're like peas in a pod)
> So we have two creatures, of different 'kinds', more similar to each
> other than they are to other creatures of the same 'kind'. Looks like
> this:
> Hypothetical
> Dividing
> Line
> |
> |
> |
> A B | C D
> |
> |
> modern Java | Turkana humans
> apes Man | Boy
> |
> |
> If "C" and "D" are in the same 'kind' (humans), shouldn't it logically
> follow that "B" and "C" might be the same kind? Well, yes, but Gish
> can't admit that, because then you would have an ape related to a human.
> If an ape that looks like a human, and a human that looks like an ape,
> aren't transitional fossils, what would be?
> --
> Jim (Chris) Foley,
> Assoc. Prof. of Omphalic Envy Research interest:
> Department of Anthropology Primitive hominids
> University of Ediacara (Australopithecus creationistii)

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Today's bible wisdom for christians. Lesson one, Joshua does as God commands him:
(The battles of Joshua for the possession of cities and genocide of inhabitants)

(All verses from book of Joshua NRSV)

(City of Jerico)(6:21) Then they devoted to destruction by the edge of the sword all
in the city, both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and donkeys.

(City of Ai)(8:22)Israel struck them down until no one was left who survived or escaped.

(8:29) And he hanged the king of Ai on a tree until evening; and at sunset Joshua
commanded, and they took his body down from the tree, threw it down at the entrance
of the gate of the city ...

(The Amorites) (10:10) ...(the Israelites) inflicted a great slaughter on them at
Gibeon ..., and struck them down as far as Azekah and Makkedah.

(*** God throws boulders down from heaven onto fleeing Amorites ***)

(10:11) As they fled before Israel, while they were going down the slope of
Beth-horon, the LORD threw down huge stones from heaven on them as far as Azekah,
and they died; *** there were more who died because of the hailstones than the
Israelites killed with the sword ***.

(There wasn't enough time in the day to complete the slaughter so
*** God makes the Sun _stop_moving_ in the sky ***)

(10:12-13) ...Joshua spoke to the LORD; and he said in the sight of Israel,
"Sun, stand still at Gibeon, and Moon, in the valley of Aijalon."

And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on
their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in
midheaven, and did not hurry to set for about a whole day.

(God's mission accomplished with the Amorites)
(10:20) When Joshua and the Israelites had finished inflicting a very great
slaughter on them, until they were wiped out, ...

(much more of God's slaughter next time...)