Re: how many bastards are there, anyway?

Bryant (
23 Aug 1996 09:22:41 -0600

In article <4viteb$>,
Matt Beckwith <> wrote:
>>The research suggests that higher conception rates occur when the woman
>>climaxes *after* the man does -- before doesn't do anything.

Only if it's more than a few minutes before. Any closer than that, and up
to 45 minutes afterward, and you get significantly increased sperm
retention resulting from the female's orgasm. This is interesting: It
suggests a selective advantage (at least in permiscuous mating systems)
for male humans who keep their erection after ejaculation.

>Somehow this doesn't sound right to me. Higher conception rates may
>occur, all other things being equal, when the woman climaxes second. But
>if the man climaxes first, the woman isn't likely to climax period.

>Qualities in a woman include attractiveness, submissiveness (attractive
>to men's fragile egos),

I think you might be going too far down the line on the "submissiveness"
one. I suspect that what that really boils down to is evidence of sexual
fidelity. I don't personally have a lot of respect for submissive women,
and wouldn't want one as a mate. But it may have display value.

>unfaithfulness, and sexual skill. (Unfaithfulness used to be de-selected
>because a woman's offspring were less likely to survive without a father;

Cuckoldry seems to have been a rather regular part of the human
experience, though. Getting a fella with resources to raise the offspring
you conceived with a fella with better genes might be a typical female
reproductive strategy. It's interesting that among college students, the
guys who inspire orgasm in women the most invest the least in their
relationships--consistent with female orgasm's "good genes" securing role.

>Matt Beckwith