Re: Indo-European Studies

R. Wallace (
25 Jul 1995 11:50:07 GMT

Gerold Firl ( wrote:
: In article <3trcqa$> (R. Wallace) writes:

: >Mad racial theories arise when you
: >start arguing for an Indo-European racial group, as opposed to a family of
: >languages. So what? But I don't think that anyone (apart from recognised
: >loonies) now argues for a European source of Indo-European.

: Why do you say that?

You're right. I should have said Western European. I've never really thought
that the arbitrary line we draw through the eurasian steppes was significant
of anything very much.

: Judging from the afiliation between the horse, the
: early indo-europeans, and cattle, and looking at the places and times when
: IE peoples first enter the historical record, it seems the likliest
: homeland for the IE peoples was on the eurasian steppes, west of baihkal.
: Probably the best of these lands are west of the urals, which makes them
: european; while the eastern wing of the tribe may have had their
: territorial base in asia, it seems probable that the european grasslands
: have been inhabited by members of the IE family for a long time.

: And really, classifying IE as a racial group is hardly "mad";

Well, I didn't say it was! What I said was that mad racial theories don't
begin with the linguistic argument, but with the further hypothesis that
behind the linguistic grouping is a racial grouping.

: it's more
: like a case of extreme splitting. At one time, the speakers of proto-IE
: undoubtedly

This is by no means undoubted.

: consisted of a cohesive cultural unit, which I picture as a
: large tribe or primitive "nation". They certainly

Again, it is by no means certain.

: had distinctive cultural
: attributes; whether there was sufficient genetic differentiation from other
: tribes to warrent introducing a separate racial designation seems doubtful
: to me, though perhaps not quite mad or loony.
: --

Just so. But there are mad racial theories based on this hypothesis.

Richard wallace
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