Re: If god exists, what created god?

Robert Roosen (
Tue, 18 Apr 1995 03:47:45 GMT

Here is an excellent description of the Narlikar/Burbidge
cosmology. I would appreciate elaboration on the points of manvantara
and pralaya, and whether the material universe dissolves after the tenth
and final incarnation of Vishnu.

Madhudvisa ( wrote:

: Firstly the concept of God, a supreme person who is the ultimate
: controller of the universe, certainly was not the creation of
: Einstein.

I agree. My point is that, just as airline pilots try to copy Chuck
Yeager, a famous test pilot, when they talk on the radio, many physicists
try to copy Einstein when they talk about cosmology. In both cases, IMO,
the people come across sounding more ignorant than they really are :-)

Finding the beginning of the idea of God would be very
: difficult for, unlike anything we have experienced here He is
: eternal. He has no beginning or end. We also have this same
: eternal nature but we are covered by our material bodies made from
: earth, water, fire, air and ether. Underneath this material
: covering we exist as an eternal spiritual being, a tiny part and
: parcel of the Supreme Being. We have the same qualities as Him,
: however He has them in unlimited qunatities and we have them in
: minute quantities.

: As far as this creation being God's first, He has a somewhat
: different perspective to us.

: "O son of Kunti, at the end of the millennium all material
: manifestations enter into My nature, and at the beginning of another
: millennium, by My potency, I create them again." (Bhagavad-gita 9.7)

: The creation and annihilation of the material world is cyclic.
: Although this creation has a beginning and an end the cycle is
: eternal. It's just like the seasons, every year we get summer,
: autumn, winter and spring. So this universe is created, it exists
: for some time and is ultimately destroyed. But then another
: creation takes place. This is a great science, this is the real
: science.

: So for God there is no question of this, or for that matter,
: any of His universes, being His first attempt. Since He is eternal
: and the cycle of creation and annihilation is also eternal there
: was no "first time". This is somewhat inconceivable to us only
: because we have no experience of anything eternal.

: God (Krishna, "The all-attractive person") is not only expert at
: creating universes, He is expert at everything and He has always
: been so. He didn't have to learn how to be God from somebody
: else--He is always God, eternally.

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