Re: Exaptation and cookie

Tom Clarke (
15 Oct 1995 22:01:14 -0400 (J. Moore) writes:

>Cl> Re: "first family" drowning.

>I asked him for a reference for that statement, as it seems
>unlikely and I certainly hadn't heard it as an accepted idea.
>I haven't heard back from him yet.


>Neither have I heard back from you about my questions to you based
>on your reply to the post of yours you mention. Among those
>questions was:

>JM> If, as it seems from your post, you know nothing about "swamp monkeys"
>JM> except the name, what do you base your thinking they are "almost a
>JM> perfect model" on?

All is know about them is accounts in "semipopular " works by
the likes of Calvin and Diamond. I am certainly no primate expert.
But the accounts I have read describe a primate living on the water
margin, frequently swiming, with a tendency toward more bipedal
locomotion than is usually found in most primates.

[I am terrible with names, including nouns of unfamiliar objects,
I even got my wife's name wrong after I hadfirst met her, fortunately
she didn't take offense?]

>Cl> Don't you have any fun in science? Are you limited only to what is
>Cl> absolutely, iron-clad provable on the basis of well deocumented
>Cl> obsdrvation? No speculation allowed?
>Cl> Tom Clarke

>Informed speculation based on study of current, and accurate,
>evidence? Sure.

>Wild speculation based on bogus "facts" and without any references
>or support forthcoming? Well, no.

I guess we have different views of usenet. I think of it as more
like graduate students at lunch, informally playing with ideas, less like
a formal research seminar where every source must be cited.

If you like, I could probably locate the sources my sources of
info on the "swamp monkey". Some are books that I read years ago
though and are back on the library shelves. I happen to have the
Diamond book out now, that one should be easy [provided I haven't
misremembered the source:-].

Tom Clarke

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