Re: 30,000 year old Homo erectus

Barry Mennen (
16 Dec 1996 03:20:54 GMT

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Ralph L Holloway <> writes:
>On Sun, 15 Dec 1996, Susan S. Chin wrote:
>> Wooops, sorry. I pressed the "post" button too soon, so my previous
>> message should not have posted in the form it appears. Wanted to
>> on what Tom said above. My understanding of these new recent dates
>> for some 12 Java Homo erectus specimens (found at TWO sites, not 12
as I
>> had previously stated) is that they support the Out of Africa
>> more so than the Multi-Regionalists, at least in this part of
>> Asia. And that this linear model of Homo erectus ---> Homo sapiens
>> need re-assessment. Obviously no one knew or ever suspected Homo
>> was or could still have been around as recent as 30,000yrs ago. Of
>> those advocating the Multi-Regionalist Hypothesis such as Wolpoff
>> quoted as saying these new finds are really Homo sapiens, not
>> Okay.... defining your fossil taxa to fit your theories. Gee, what a
>> concept.
> Having worked on these specimens when they were in Frankfurt with Von
>Koenigswald, I find it amazing that they can be so readily classified
>Homo erectus. As I recall, both Santa Luca and myself were far from
>certain what the taxonomic affinities of the Solo specimens were. My
>of their endocasts left me with the impression of continuities with
>earlier Homo erectus populations, but I couldn't simply say that they
>anything more than primitive Homo sapiens retaining certain Homo
>cranial characteristics. I also have visited some of the Solo sites
when I
>had the pleasure of working with Teuku Jabob, and I would be really
>skeptical tabout the associations being claimed between bovids and the
>older Solo crania and getting accurate dates for the latter. I suspect
>some grandstanding here, and I don't see why previous dating, i.e.,
>100,00-130,000 needs to be abandoned at this point. It's very
difficult to
>remember the exact sites of each of the Solo fragments.
>R Holloway
Thus, if what Prof Holloway says is true (about the designation H.
erectus) than the finding supports the multiregional hypothesis and
Wolpoff's comment.

Barry M.