Re: Paraphyly of apes

13 Dec 1996 09:10:26 GMT

T. Mike Keesey ( wrote:
: > In it he sinks the Homididae to subfamily status in the pongidae

: I believe Hominidae would have precedence over Pongidae ...

Oops, after a closer re-examination of the paper, it was Pongidae that was
sunk into the Homidae

: > Also, check out some of Jared Diamond's arguements for sinking _Homo_ into
: > _Pan_. A good place to start is the book _The Third Chimpanzee_

: I looked it over once. It's _Pan_ he sinks into _Homo_. Should've called
: the book "The Third Human".

I've seen him use both, but since _Homo_ has proirity _Pan_ would go into
It's an interesting proposal, but I think he's taking things a little too
: far. We may be fairly similar genetically to chimps, but we aren't close
: to being able to interbreed, even to produce sterile offspring (last I
: heard). Also, including the chimps under _Homo_ leaves absolutely no room
: to let the classification reflect the relationships of all creatures
: closer to humans than to chimps (australopithecines, etc.)

I like the idea more for raising eyebrows than it's taxonomic validity.

As for interbreeding, there may be an example. OMNI published a short
article in 1984 on Oliver, a mutate ape who appears to be half-human\
half-chimp. But it was in the Anti-Matter section which covers fringe
subject and I have never found anything in a reliable source

: AFAICS, the
best classification would go thusly:

: Hominoidea
: _Hylobatidae
: _(unnamed)
: __Pongidae
: ___Gigantopithecus
: ___Pongo
: __Hominidae
: ___Gorilla
: ___Pan
: ___Homininae
: ____Australopithecus
: ____Homo

his is very close to what Groves published. Just replace the (unnamed with
Hominidae, Pongidae with Ponginae, and move _Pan_ & _Gorilla_ into the

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