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PW: Responding to Scott & Mike.Warren Sproule (Warren.Sproule@SOCIOL.UTAS.EDU.AU)Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:13:12 +0200
seemed like a good way of maximising responses from the list - back to something non-virulent that looks like anthropology)...Again I'm in debt to Scott Holmes and Mike Salovesh for prodding me to defend my position and driving towards general (as well as self-)clarification. Re their recent and typically astute postings: Scott makes two vital points: First, that this is NOT an argument about the existence of violence or conflict within and between "primitive" societies, but rather whether such practices qualify as "war"; secondly, allied to this, that the key issue is in determining levels (of population, technology, even "civilisation") that enable us to meaningfully define SOME kinds of conflict as "war". With these broad points I'm in wholehearted agreement. As to the finer-grained details of the post [a] States and formal sanctions - On the claim that in order to war, 'formal sanction can be supplied by a mere word from the recognised leader and/or ritual', take a look at the last essay in Pierre Clastres' _Society Against The State_. He argues that the structure of non-Statist (here, tribal) chieftainship is such that, were the leader to utter the 'mere word' initiating war, the basis of his leadership - prestige and his sense of the group's desires - is undercut, and the tribe is duty-bound to abandon him: C.'s examples of this process in action are the respective fates of Fousiwe of the Yanomano, and the Apache leader Geronimo. On this reading, tribal formations, unlike States, are not governed in a top-down manner, and the chief is ostracised unless his pronouncements mesh with a popular will. [b] Maps/commemoration: I take your point that in both cases a concept (of "territory" or "honour") precedes its formal (here, written) expression. I guess what I'm saying is that once expressed, the artefact (map, war memorial) produces 'effects' of its own, and that some of these effects are other than mere elaboration of the original concept or amplification of what's capable of expression in another medium (ie, orality). As a side-issue, I'm confused about your use of the word "history", as in '[a]s for the possibly necessary components of warfare, none cited require writing but they do require history". Isn't "history" - as distinct from "myth" - itself a written account? Straighten me out here... [c] Sumerians: Harking back to an earlier post (10/4) Scott noted that "[t]he use of writing to demarcate societies capable of engaging in warfare removes all those pre-Sumerian cities from the definition". From William Frawley's _Text and Epistemology_ comes the observation that "Gelb, like others working in the history of writing, sees writing as developing aroud 3000 BC, in post-Sumerian pictographs, which gave rise to both Sumerian cuneiform and Egyptian hieroglyphics. *Through cultural contact and conquest* these two writing systems developed into the systems which we know in the West today" (1987: 2). I also note that under the head of 'WAR' in the _Encyclopedia of Human Behaviour Vol. 4_, Gabriel & Metz assert the following: "The world's oldest armies appeared in Sumer (modern Iraq) and Egypt. Between 3000 and 2000 BC, Sumer developed a professional army which fought in phalanx formation and was the first to be equipped with body armour and helmets. Sumerian military technology brought into being the first military application of the wheel, the chariot, and the invention of the socket axe, the penetrating axe and the composite bow. The Sumerian states were at war with one another almost constantly over a thousand year period culminating, around 2400 BC, in the appearance of the world's first military dictatorship under Sargon the Great" (1994: 530). In other words, on this interpretation of Scott's example, development of warfare and writing occur together, and at least *suggest* that non-literate pre-Sumerian societies were *also non-warring*. [d] primitive conflict. If 'primitive war' doesn't exist, Scott asks "how do we refer to the violence that occurred previous to this point?" My prime candidates would be (appropriately qualified forms of) hunting, duelling and, especially, the feud. I can do no better in this regard than to point listmembers towards the discussion of this latter distinction in Jacob Black-Michaud's excellent _Feuding Societies_. My argument still maintains that positing "war" as a generic category, and reading off particular forms of "conflict" as subsets of "war", gets it backwards. It's WAR that constitutes the *specific* form... Mike's post (10/20). What fascinated me most (apart from the implications of Mike's aside that we *know* Genghiz Khan's genealogy to be fictional because of the written, ie *authoritative*, accounts of Chinese scribes) was his emphasis on the Incas. Mike says "Kipus, those bundles of knotted cords carried by message-bearers, were NOT a writing system. They were memory jogs...". This corresponds to nearly every account I've ever read of the Inca as not having writing. How do I deal with this in terms of my general position? [i] The simplest way is to maintain that the Inca are no more a "primitive" configuration than the Mongols, and therefore engage in warfare. Like Michael my ideal-typical non-warring groups are still by and large hunter-gatherers: In Sahlins' terms, 'original affluent societies'. But this doesn't address the writing issue; [ii] I can cast the Inca as a deviant case, an important exception to the rule that "warring societies write" - So that the Inca are no more typical of (non-warring) oral cultures than Iceland (who, according to Melko in _52 Peaceful Societies_, has not engaged in war since the mid-13th Century) is typical of (belligerent) literate cultures (at present my inclination is to take this route); or, [iii] I can assert, against the overwhelming majority opinion, that the Inca DID write. Such a case might go in directions something like these: o 'the *quipu* of the Incas can be regarded as a type of writing. Far from being merely mnemotechnic instruments of accountancy, the knotted cords were primarily and of necessity a writing that asserted the legitimacy of the imperial law and the terror it was intended to inspire' (Clastres, again from _Society Against The State_, 1987: 177). This is a possibility, but problematic for my case. It heads down the "semiotics-in-reverse" road taken by Derrida in _Of Grammatology_ and his concepts of arche-writing, -graph, -gram, etc. My main objection is that it broadens the question of what constitutes 'writing' out past any operational limit, and I'd argue that writing ain't just ANY old sign-system. I tnink a more useful tack would be o Throwing a spanner into the historical record. I've always found the Inca achievement that Mike refers to incredible for an oral culture: what if it's simply NOT credible? The Moche, 'forerunners' of the Inca, had a communications system (bean-messages) that look a lot more like writing than the quipu - why wasn't it adopted/adapted by the Inca? Can an oral culture *really* administer thousands of miles of territory and 5-6,000,000 inhabitants without writing? If so where does this leave the contemporary arguments about the organisational necessity of literacy? Further, why are we so willing to take the evidence that the Inca did not write at face value? The original claims are made by the Spanish invaders, hardly an impartial or scientifically objective source - and I recall (and will try to track down the source if necessary) that in the 1600s, the writings of the Maya - who *were* literate - were almost entirely destroyed by the Spaniards in an effort to eradicate blasphemous texts: Landa, the chief recorder of Mayan texts, was also the chief book-burner, and I think only 3 Mayan codex survive. Wouldn't this same impulse have motivated the Pisarros and their followers a century earlier, and couldn't all traces of 'Inca writing' have been obliterated? Could I have some feedback from pre-Colombian specialists on this possibility?? Once again I've tempted the list's patience with an overlong posting. Once again, apologies, and once again, thanks to any who'd care to return the ball. It's times like this that I wish I had the access to 'irrefutable truth' that our dear friends Rushton and Hicks have - then, like them, I wouldn't have to do cumbersome things like think, or deal with counter-arguments, or acknowledge the possibility that I might just be wrong. Unfortunately, doing all that old-fashioned kinda stuff, as opposed to just KNOWING, means that I can't engage with the other thread on this list... Cheers, WS.
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