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PW:MongolsWarren Sproule (Warren.Sproule@SOCIOL.UTAS.EDU.AU)Thu, 13 Oct 1994 13:36:05 +0200
Foss, and addressing his one-word admonition to 'rethink' (10/11), there seems to be a major misunderstanding here. Rereading Scott Holmes' earlier posts on the issue, I note that Scott's central concern is to criticise the Mike Salovesh exemption of "nomads" from his *general* definintion of 'war'. Scott not only regarded the Mongol invasion as 'not, by itself, germane to a discussion of "primitive warfare"' (10/10), but earlier suggested that they perhaps represented a distinct "predatory" or "parasitic" culture-type (10/4), ie, by implication they're *not* 'primitive'. My own position is likewise that the Mongols are specifically *not* 'primitive'. This rests on my general "no such thing as primitive war" line. What I was getting at in the (admittedly wordy!) posting of 10/7 was the Deleuzoguattarian distinction b/w a 'state apparatus' and a 'nomad war machine', a distinction that looks nothing like the 'Western/Advanced-Primitive paradigm' you refer to (10/12). In other words, I *fully concur* with your assessment that the Mongols were not 'primitive', and for precisely the reasons that you provide in your informative postings on the issue. With all due respect, I think you've got this arse-around. Please let me know if I'm misrepresenting you here... Cordially, WS.
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