Re: Patriarchy, evolution, etc.

thomas w kavanagh (tkavanag@INDIANA.EDU)
Sat, 16 Mar 1996 20:19:11 -0500

prithee, whose "misunderstanding."

On Sat, 16 Mar 1996, Doug Weller wrote:

> In message <> thomas w kavanagh recently said:
> > Webster's:
> >
> > ilk
> > Scottish
> > (obsolete): same, like;
> > from a misunderstanding of the phrase "of that ilk", in Scotland, meaning
> > (1) of the same name, as "Macdonald of that ilk," meaning Macdonald of
> > Macdonald, hence (2) of the same class or kind.

Perhaps, my extract from Webster's should have had a period, rather than
a comma, after "of that ilk", emphasizing that in Scotland the
meaning IS Macdonald of Macdonald, and that the misunderstanding "of the
same kind" occurs elsewhere.


> And that's a common misunderstanding. Macdonald of that ilk means
> Macdonald, Laird of Macdonald, ie 'of that ilk' means 'of that estate'
> *not* 'of that family'. Hence if I were 'Weller of that ilk', I
> would be Weller of Weller, with Weller being my estate (hopefully
> with woods and a stream!

> The meaning 'of the same class of kind' is generally given first
> in British dictionaries, but at times with a caveat that no
> everyone approves of it's being used that way!
> I've checked this in various dictionaries, including my 2 volume
> Reader's Digest which is based on Houghton Mifflin's databases,
> and of course Oxford.
> --
> Doug Weller