Re: Reasons for leaving anthro-l (please read)

Todd N Nims (nimstod@MAIL.AUBURN.EDU)
Wed, 25 Jan 1995 12:09:29 -0600

if you are confronted w/ the crap that some individuals on this list so
heartfeltly believe in. I said something onetime that although valid
wasnt put across in a very professional manner. Among the many childish
flames and accusitions I recieved, I found a letter from a very
intelligent individual, who instead of cutting me down, told me what I
did wrong and how to fix it. So just remember, in addition to the quacks,
and just plain out idiots who subscribe to this list there are three
times as many intelligent and upstanding individuals who put education
above petty political agendas and squabbles.

Todd N. Nims
Auburn University, AL

On Tue, 24 Jan 1995, Michael Bauser wrote:

> Okay dammit, we get one of these "That's it, I can't take it anymore,
> I'm leaving for good, and here's my kiss-off note" messages every few
> months, any *every time* I read one, I end up thinking to myself:
> Where the hell did these people go to school?
> More after quoting and smart-ass between-the-lines commentary....
> >search and to bounce around some hypotheses. However, what
> >I stumbled into was a heated discussion which quickly
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Yeah, I've never seen two anthropologists have a "heated discussion"
> before....
> >turned into feminist bashing, name calling, and even
> >swearing. I do not find it becoming to a professional
> ^^^^^^^^
> (Ooh. Swearing. What is the world coming to?)
> >to sink to such a level on such a wide forum. I found
> >the whole episode rather disappointing and intimidating.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Does anybody else see being imtimidated by an angry
> anthropologist as a potentially career-inhibiting trait?
> >I mean, if professionals who have been teaching for x-number
> >of years resort to name calling over a fellow's comment
> >(and a valid comment I might add)... well it just makes
> >me shudder to think to such close-minded people are teaching
> >the younger set of new anthropologists.
> >Kharyssa Rhodes
> >
> Jeez. I tell ya, these kids today....
> Now, this is what's been bothering me: Messages like Kharyssa's
> always seem to imply that "heated discussion" and all that are
> unusual in anthropology, to which I have to say: WHAT?
> I've have professors who were as rough or rougher than most of the
> members of this list. (Well, no real name calling.) I didn't run away.
> I did three things:
> 1) Learned not to freak out if professors yelled.
> 2) Learned to support my arguments damn well and accept valid criticisms.
> 3) Realized I can be right without having the last word.
> Yeah, okay, things do sometimes get out of line here, but they get out
> of line in classes, at conferences, at department meetings, in journals
> (remember the good old days of Binford and Bunn?), and none of the
> grown-ups there decided to run away and send letters of surrender.
> I'm not for name-calling or feminist-bashing, but I'm not for dropping
> out, either. I'm am seriously concerned about a plague of cowards
> in the anthropological field. Anthropology will always be dealing with
> the most contentious subjects (_Bell_Curve_, anyone?), where debates get
> loud, prolonged, and sometimes painful. People who want a conflict-
> free life should not be in anthropology. Hell, they shouldn't even be
> in a science department.
> Now will all you professors out there teach your undergrads to have some
> backbone? I don't want to be chasing them out of AAA conventions in
> ten years....
> (Yes, I know I'm overreacting. I reserve the right to do that once
> in a while.)
> --
> Michael Bauser <mbauser@kentvm.bitnet or>
> Dept. of Anthropology, Kent State University, Kent OH 44242, USA